Ar,
So...should we with Breast Cancer abstain from Floressence & Essiac? Or do you know if all their tests are trustworthy? Do tests in mice bode the same as in humans? I was going to go out and get some Essiac. Do you or did you work in the health industry, you must have to interpret that.
Louise
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> Well, Louise, that was a freakishly complicated conclusion! Here is
> what it said:
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> RESULTS: Flor-Essence and Essiac herbal tonics at 1%, 2%, 4% and 8%
> stimulated cell proliferation relative to untreated controls in both
> estrogen receptor positive (MCF-7 and T47D) and estrogen receptor
> negative (MDA-MB-231 and MDA-MB-436) cell lines. Exposure to the tonics
> also produced a dose-dependent increase in ER dependent luciferase
> activity in MCF-7 cells. A 10(-7) M concentration of ICI 182,780
> inhibited the induction of ER dependent luciferase activity by
> Flor-Essence and Essiac, but did not affect cell proliferation.
> CONCLUSION: Flor-Essence and Essiac Herbal Tonics can stimulate the
> growth of human breast cancer cells through ER mediated as well as ER
> independent mechanisms of action.
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> I interpret this as:
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> Cell proliferation happened with both hormone dependent and triple
> negative cancers.
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With regards to the study Arlyn is quoting, I would be very careful in reading too much into it - cell studies and rat studies are not representative of how people use herbs. If you take a rat from birth and feed it nothing but high amounts of herbs it isn't surprising if their health is poor. The cell study mentioned also found that higher concentrations actually reduced cancer cell growth but this isn't mentioned in the abstract/summary, you have to read the full study. In any case, there is a massive amount of misunderstanding and misinformation with regards to herbs and FlorEssence specifically that you can find online. Don't jump to conclusions based on research summaries - unless you can read the full study critically, I would take the abstracts with a grain of salt. Better yet, talk to a naturopath or herbalist more familiar with the herbs and research - it's better than finding random snippets of info online and trying to come to a conclusion based on that.
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